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There is a difference between Hamas and the Palestinians. It's complicated. There were elections in 2006 and Hamas beat out the Fatah Party 44% to 41% but gained controlling seats in the government. The Fatah party was or is the PLO and they recognized Israel, Hamas, of course does not. Israel was moving settlers out of the occupied territories so there was a vacuum there and George Bush and Condaleeza Rice encouraged elections. They thought (good intentions) that democracy would win. The Palestinians were thinking they got a Unity Government but Hamas, surprise, surprise, broke the deal starting killing Fatah members and those who were still alive escaped to the West Bank.

There has not been an election in Gaza since 2006. Half the population is under 18 and weren't even alive when Hamas took over. They, of course, have grown up with Hamas propaganda. They have been under a 16 year blockage so everything for their daily lives comes in by truck and Hamas can say "look what we are providing for you , and all the other BS.

There are Palestinians living in Israel who are Israeli citizens. There are Israelis and Palestinians running businesses together, there is intermarriage. They share holy places, especially in Jerusalem. Palestinians were attacked in the temple during Ramadan as they were praying. That went on for several nights. There are Palestinians now being attacked in the West Bank.

Hamas is deadly, they are devoted to the removal of Israel and probably any Jew they can get their hands on. They must be eliminated. However, then what? There is no one that wants Palestinians removed from the earth than Benjamin Netanyahu.

As said, this is complicated. The problem is, people are putting this recent tragedy in a vacuum. They take sound bites from a moment in time and don't look any further. Young people have always demonstrated and I like their exuberance but they need to be better informed about what they are demonstrating for.

Rashida Tlaib is a Palestinian and I'm not a friend so have certainly never had a deep discussion with her about anything. She IS very far left and she is well aware of the Palestinian history and she is very emotional. I still have never gotten the feeling that she supports Hamas but the right likes to say that anyone who stands up for the Palestinians at any time or God forbid say ONE critical word against Israel is a terrorist. It's great politics.

So in the meantime, we have Israeli families burying their family members, people just going about their daily lives, young people at a festival, slaughtered by vile and evil people who should have been dealt with a long time ago.

Then, just a short distance away, we have the young doctor in Gaza, treating bleeding children at the hospital that is running out of supplies and room. He is treating his ten year old daughter. Their house was hit by an explosive. He is called to a room down the hall in that room there is the body of a six year old boy who has died from his wounds, and that boy is his son.

So, there is plenty of heartache to spread around. I'm sick and tired of it. It must be in our DNA, our lust for power, our indifference to the pain of others, the need to be right, they need to have things "our way". To try to get a handle of what is happening today you need to go back to 1948. Anyway you want to see it, it is a tragedy.

I'm not going to comment further on this subject , I've taken too much time already. I just pray it's over, Hamas will be destroyed and somehow clearer heads can prevail and Netanyahu is purges. A young Israeli girl who lost friends in the assault was asked how she felt about the retaliation. She said she wished for peace and was not going to live the rest of her life with hate in her heart.

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This problem is as old and complex as man. Israel is certainly in a tough spot--seen by the Palestinians as invaders „gifted“ land by the British after WWII settled by them hundreds (or thousands) of years before much like the US „gifted“ land to white Americans once inhabited by our own native people. And civilians in Gaza perhaps „should“ speak out or act against Hamas much like Germans „should“ have, but not all people have the courage to risk death or worse at the hands of their government. That said, Israel is the victim of a terrorist attack, and anyone who defends that should be called out immediately and loudly. And yes, the dems need to make this message in a full throated manner.

As I see it, one of the main problems is that most Americans are ignorant of the history of the Jewish people, especially recent history (since WWII). This is a problem with so many issues today--there is a history behind why we do what we do and believe what we believe (for example, our relationship with guns and religion) but most don’t know what that history is and so fall back on tribalism. It‘s understandable that people shy away from the topic--even I couldn‘t watch the Ken Burns special on the Holocaust--it was just too much during Covid and all our political unrest. The critical thing is to remember that 1) all life is sacred 2) anyone who uses civilians as human shields are committing war crimes, 3) everyone has a right to live in peace and to defend themselves, and 4)anyone who supports, encourages or condones the invasion, murder or kidnapping of civilians needs to be called out for supporting terrorism.

Campuses are full of far left voices, most of which become much quieter a year or two after graduation when maturity and a taste of the real world becomes part of peoples lives. Sometimes an unpopular political view is the right thing to support (such as the fight against apartheid in the 1970‘s and 80‘s), but it‘s often just ignorance or kids rebelling against their parents. Either way, it needs to be discussed, thoughtful questions asked and answers thoughtfully and honestly given.

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